tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post7750446260177762607..comments2024-03-25T09:18:22.829-05:00Comments on Killer Crafts & Crafty Killers: BOOK CLUB FRIDAY GUEST AUTHOR SANDRA PARSHALLANASTASIA POLLACKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03160162455676799133noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-1196666552598255242012-09-17T09:54:58.369-05:002012-09-17T09:54:58.369-05:00I'm all over the map on this one, and so are m...I'm all over the map on this one, and so are my heroes. But most are good looking. One is "interesting looking," another is a "hunk," but he's deaf, one is black but sexy. I think a lot depends on what you write. I write suspense with romance as a secondary genre. My husband and I like Detective Lewis and his partner because they look like normal cops, not Hollywood heroes. As for Cruise playing Reacher, I Googled tall actors and found there really wasn't anyone who fit the bill of Reacher. I'm sure they could have found someone taller that Cruise but maybe not with the box-office clout. Love him or hate him, he does the stunts himself. That counts for something.Polly Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05729656119287702191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-60591676971070445772012-09-16T18:23:33.039-05:002012-09-16T18:23:33.039-05:00This has been a fun discussion. I've loved the...This has been a fun discussion. I've loved the differing views on what a hero should be like. Sandra Parshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403144248962124138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-66859655314450684532012-09-15T11:26:15.639-05:002012-09-15T11:26:15.639-05:00As usual, great post Sandy. In too many books the ...As usual, great post Sandy. In too many books the description of perfect men give me the impression that they are topple over with height, or are so bulked up, they might as well be the HULK with huge hands that swallow all body parts. <br />I do prefer older female protags that have a lot of savy gained from experience.<br />PatgPatghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01046665022709722606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-68796513830063923882012-09-15T10:21:54.837-05:002012-09-15T10:21:54.837-05:00Interesting subject, Sandra. The heroes and heroin...Interesting subject, Sandra. The heroes and heroines I write are usually normal size, but are physically able to handle the bad people they go up against. In my new novel, however, my hero is bigger. He has to be. His job is to track - and terminate - terrorists. I even gave him an appropriate name: Tall Chambers.Earl Staggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13349667172813175960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-8838964147583020092012-09-15T07:46:20.097-05:002012-09-15T07:46:20.097-05:00Before I started age-related shrinking, I was 6...Before I started age-related shrinking, I was 6'1, and that affected how I view the world-- I used to be taller than most people, and that translated to the heroes I created. Now my college students tower over me!Neil Plakcyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14790700248668484294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-49286726635369268412012-09-15T05:51:47.890-05:002012-09-15T05:51:47.890-05:00Studies show that, for men and women, the taller y...Studies show that, for men <i>and</i> women, the taller you are, the more likely you are to be successful. Tall people get more attention because they take up more space. For men these days, that means being at least 5'10" tall. So I'm hoping my younger son grows another inch. :-)<br /><br />The qualities with which a hero and a villain are drawn identifies the arenas where an author intends to play out conflicts between the two characters. I don't think a hero has to be big and physically intimidating. In fact, when I read about a strapping brute hero, I catalog him (or her) as a cookie-cutter hero. I <i>do</i> think a hero has to be intelligent, in decent physical shape, and made relatable with flaws. And a hero has to make some serious sacrifices.<br /><br />All the heroes in my writings have been of medium stature. Michael Stoddard has average looks. His nemesis, Dunstan Fairfax, is also of medium stature, although I gave him a better physique and a handsome face, just because the stereotyped villain is short, spindly (or dumpy), and ugly. But intrinsically, the two men are on par for brains and guts. Those are the arenas where much of the hero/villain conflict plays out in the Michael Stoddard series.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11624472793275282926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-69012748632737801572012-09-14T22:39:35.217-05:002012-09-14T22:39:35.217-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sandra Parshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403144248962124138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-70746786302707215942012-09-14T19:44:37.326-05:002012-09-14T19:44:37.326-05:00Camille, I wouldn't classify hit men as heroic...Camille, I wouldn't classify hit men as heroic. :-) Notice that you have a mental image of these meanies as small and cunning...Sandra Parshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403144248962124138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-35752692413335177812012-09-14T19:25:25.695-05:002012-09-14T19:25:25.695-05:00Maybe in my next story I'll make my hero 5'...Maybe in my next story I'll make my hero 5'7 with a stomach and receding hair line...humm.<br /><br />I like the blog, I know that I like my heros tall, dark and hunky. And I know in real life someone like that wouldn't give me a look, 1st or 2nd. tee hee.<br /><br />Great blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-7400466598950099712012-09-14T19:24:35.650-05:002012-09-14T19:24:35.650-05:00I like hit men, and they tend to be small, the bet...I like hit men, and they tend to be small, the better to sneak up on you. I'm thinking of John Rain, half Japanese, and of Keller, Lawrence Block's character.<br /><br />They may be taller than I'm remembering -- but I don't pay attention to that; I'm watching their cunning.Camille Minichinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04701150885595400018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-31431762734347606492012-09-14T18:11:37.998-05:002012-09-14T18:11:37.998-05:00Even when heroes are tall, dark, and handsome, the...Even when heroes are tall, dark, and handsome, they are always flawed, sometimes deeply so. They wouldn't be interesting if they weren't. But there's a strong romantic element in mainstream crime fiction today. The heroines are beautiful, the heroes are handsome, and their romantic sparring is part of the story. Unless you stick with noir or hard-as-nails thrillers, it's hard to avoid that romantic thread.Sandra Parshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403144248962124138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-44704171606476381172012-09-14T16:54:12.716-05:002012-09-14T16:54:12.716-05:00I'm definitely not into Adonis heroes. But I d...I'm definitely not into Adonis heroes. But I do tend to make them taller than my heroine. In one of my wips, the heroine is quite small and I realized that the hero couldn't be too tall or they wouldn't "fit" together. <br /><br />An odd observation: I'm fairly tall, even though my dad was small, and I like tall men. My daughter, who is taller than me, grew up with a tall dad but likes short men. Now we both adored our dads but went the opposite direction. Wonder what than means?KathyWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12724213234832600369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-63694351540081786572012-09-14T16:27:49.335-05:002012-09-14T16:27:49.335-05:00I am a tall woman and rarely find a man taller tha...I am a tall woman and rarely find a man taller than myself (but since I grew up with Disney movies) I am convinced in some part of my mind that I need a taller man. So I like them in books. Hopefully they have some redeeming traits like being nice to animals and letting the older people on the bus have their seats if it is full, but yeah I like to merge fantasy and reality!Lynn Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11441343758291717960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-1124588140322939032012-09-14T14:06:55.304-05:002012-09-14T14:06:55.304-05:00I don't care for the Adonis type as a hero eit...I don't care for the Adonis type as a hero either. I look for a protagonist who is smart, witty, and flawed in some way. If they are perfect, they're not real to me. Good point, Sally. I wouldn't call those guys handsome, but they had charisma. Humphrey Bogart comes to mind. He was short, not all that attractive, but he had great sex appeal. So, I guess what I'm saying, is; it's what'sinside that counts. Kathleen Kaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16500241341014235792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-80047371087581079632012-09-14T13:09:19.900-05:002012-09-14T13:09:19.900-05:00"What are the current series that feature sho..."What are the current series that feature short, ordinary heroes?" Well, short, I don't know, but Charlie Harris in "Miranda" James's "Cat in the Stacks" series.<br /><br />Like Nancy, I read to escape -- but I don't feel I'm really escaping if the characters with whom I am to identify are characters who would make me a little uneasy in real life.<br /><br />I've met very nice Adonis types, mind you, but I've met too many who are sure they're the universe's gift to women -- very unpleasant to be around, at least for me. And you can imagine how well I get along with the muscle-bound set, given how much I despise sports and athleticism. Those were the kids who strutted their way through the halls of high school, sure they were the gods of the universe. Feh.<br /><br />For the most part, it's the ordinary-looking people, of either gender, with whom I get along best. The intelligent ones with a sense of humour. And those are also the characters I prefer in fiction. If the character is an Adonis or a Schwarzenegger, he'd better have a lot more going for him to make up for it, is all I can say ... ;)<br /><br />--Mario R.JJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13404985455733545060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-21075406530413529052012-09-14T12:31:47.073-05:002012-09-14T12:31:47.073-05:00For me reading is an escape. I picture myself as ...For me reading is an escape. I picture myself as the heroine so I do like the hero to be big, strong and good looking. I am in the older and dumpy looking category so I don't particularly want to read about the same type of people. I don't mind blood, gore or sex, but the two protagonists have to make it through the book with a happy ending.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987230384169003432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-90071147234108128572012-09-14T10:53:37.327-05:002012-09-14T10:53:37.327-05:00Many of the 1970s TV detectives were not tall or h...Many of the 1970s TV detectives were not tall or handsome: Lt. Columbo, Kojack, Cannon, Baretta. Which goes to show not every Hollywood hero is a hunk. For me, I'm six foot tall and I like my male protagonists taller. That's why my amateur sleuth Sandy Fairfax is six foot three. He's a former teen idol so he's attractive but he's boyish cute, not ruggedly handsome. As for women sleuths, Sue Ann Jaffarian's Odelia Grey (cozy series) is "plus size." Sally Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00068827626295000653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-48996745144126759422012-09-14T10:38:53.634-05:002012-09-14T10:38:53.634-05:00What are the current series that feature short, or...What are the current series that feature short, ordinary heroes? Notice I said current --Poirot doesn't oount. :-) I can think of Harry Bosch, but not a lot of others. Even the secondary love interests of heroines are usually super-attractive. Plain Jane Ruzzoli can't believe her luck in snagging such a devastatingly handsome man, for example.Sandra Parshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403144248962124138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-87105613456591534822012-09-14T10:16:49.837-05:002012-09-14T10:16:49.837-05:00What a great and unique post which I felt was extr...What a great and unique post which I felt was extremely thought provoking. Perhaps because I am surrounded by men who are slight and short, this is a dominant factor in my life. It has influenced me over the years. When someone describes the hero as big and strong etc. it does not endear me to him at all. It turns me off since it is so prevalent. There are many attributes that a hero has. His character, brain and personality can shine through.travelerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06191803578622949052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-71863594212740017362012-09-14T09:57:55.098-05:002012-09-14T09:57:55.098-05:00Perfection is not always necessary. In other word...Perfection is not always necessary. In other words, Tall, Dark, Handsome and built is living in a fantasyland. I prefer reality where men are men, but they do have normal builds and frames and are appealing. They have a sense of humor, charisma and a real personality. petitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05326383614079568432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-84665435157283995682012-09-14T09:34:18.251-05:002012-09-14T09:34:18.251-05:00I'm with Nancy DeMarco. Adonis turns me off, ...I'm with Nancy DeMarco. Adonis turns me off, especially if he comes with size and muscle. In fiction, he comes across too much like a wish-fulfillment character; in real life, he often makes me feel a bit on edge. I prefer brain to brawn, character and personality to height. (<i>Mutatis mutandis</i> for Venus characters.) It's why I tend to stick to cozies.--Mario R.JJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13404985455733545060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-22903246764775174152012-09-14T08:41:18.724-05:002012-09-14T08:41:18.724-05:00Perhaps our current protagonists have to be big an...Perhaps our current protagonists have to be big and strong because much of the literature has become so much more violent than it used to be. Many best-sellers cross way beyond the line of what society thought was acceptable just a generation ago. Rabbi Small (Sunday the Rabbi....) would never make it in today's publishing world.<br />Llyn K.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-88701526019682792142012-09-14T08:39:04.657-05:002012-09-14T08:39:04.657-05:00short or tall, I wanna know who to root for, and t...short or tall, I wanna know who to root for, and that's what makes Lois and Sandra winners in this areana. Thanks for the post, ladies! Thanks too for posting at the All Mystery e-newsletter yahoo group. Keep 'em coming, 'cause we're reading! All Mystery e-newlsetterhttp://allmsyteryenewsletter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-83050605534555825222012-09-14T08:02:51.417-05:002012-09-14T08:02:51.417-05:00I'm with Nancy. I like my heroes--and heroines...I'm with Nancy. I like my heroes--and heroines--flawed in some way, physically as well as emotionally. Makes them more real and believable. after all, how many times do you meet someone like Reacher in real life? Besides I adore my son-in-law who is, as he said once, "not a long person."judyalterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13767466505891813090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348734432793771357.post-24944257182176161812012-09-14T07:51:49.430-05:002012-09-14T07:51:49.430-05:00I guess I'm in the minority. I'm turned of...I guess I'm in the minority. I'm turned off by Adonis male leads. I want to see someone ordinary become extraordinary through his actions, not his genes. To me, that's a character all of us normal folks can identify with.Nancy DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00541156981472896868noreply@blogger.com